Iranian Y-DNA J1 FGC6064, FGC6031, FGC6020, Y19467.

After Satsurblia, the oldest J1 found in Georgia with Caucasus hunter-gatherers (CHG) autosomal component,  we know about the origins of haplogroup J1. The biggest diversity of basal J1 types can be found in Eastern Anatolia, Caucasus, Caspian Sea and Northern Iran.
Now we have the first Big Y results from an Iranian FTDNA#669046 MDKA sample from the Caspian Sea, Mazandaran, Northern Iranian.
For several years I wrote about the Ancient Iranian Peoples' J1 branch different from the Caucasian, Anatolian, Levantine and Arabian branches.
Now we have discovered a very interesting Iranian J1 branch distributed from Northern Iran to the European Western Atlantic areas.
In FTDNA and YFull trees we have this Iranian branch under FGC6064, FGC6031, Y19467, FGC6020 and the oldest J1 valid M365 marker.
I discovered J1 FGC5987 to FGC6175 (188 new SNPs) in my own test !
https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-FGC6064/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y19467/
FTDNA#669046 is going to organize a new Iranian branch separating the Portuguese-Brazilian cluster from the English group.
Of the block of 35 SNPs from J-Y19467 FTDNA#669046 is showing
19 SNPs Positive
16 SNPs Negative
Y19467+ Y19468- FGC5988- FGC5990+ FGC5992+ FGC6024+ FGC6025- FGC6026- FGC6032+ FGC6035- FGC6039+ FGC6040+ FGC6041+ FGC6047+ FGC6056- FGC6066+ FGC6075+ FGC6077- FGC6083- FGC6085- FGC6094+ FGC6095- FGC6097+ FGC6107+ FGC6109+ FGC6111- FGC6128+ FGC6132+ FGC6134- FGC6139+ FGC6147+ FGC6157- FGC6166- FGC6168- FGC8031-

The TMRCA between the Portuguese and the Iranian J1-Y19467 (FGC6035 * FGC6094 * FGC6040+32 SNPs formed 5500 ybp) should be more or less around 3000ybp/3250 years before present, more or less around 1000 BC. Let's wait YFull analysis.
So the movement of the Portuguese J1-M365 was historical and not from the distant Neolithic and perhaps we can find other Iranian J1 branches from this group.

Ricardo Costa de Oliveira

FGC6064 in Western Iberia and Portugal-Brazil

By 2006 I discovered I was J1 and positive to M365. A thousand years ago Iberia was divided into three different religions and now we know divided into different types of J1 as well. The Christians won the war in Iberia and the Catholic Kingdom of Portugal won the war in Western Iberia. I belong to a male line of Cristãos Velhos - Old Christians shaped by the Portuguese National State first and then by the worldwide Portuguese Empire. After ten years of intense and extremely difficult research we know the STR and SNPs of our very ancient J1 line. I discovered with my FGC test our own J1 Paleolithic line estimated to be 15000 years old, what few genetic genealogists could dare to do as a project ten years ago. We are beggining to discover some very ancient J1-FGC6064 nodes in Western Asia and in Western Europe. The Portuguese-Brazilian cluster has been the most investigated with a very good expansion in the last 1000 years of wars and moving frontiers and one easily recognizable ethnohistorical cluster with defined STR modal and SNPs. I also discovered the existence of matches in Northern Iran, a Caspian cluster and some European dispersed cases. Now we have an original English from Devon J1-M365 at YFull with an estimated TMRCA of 5500 years in relation to our Portuguese cluster. If our common ancestor 5500 years ago had already arrived in Atlantic Western Europe he could be related to some movements and migrations associated with the Atlantic Megalithism, just before Bell Beakers and the big R1b-P312 expansion. Perhaps our ancestor could be from a small Neolithic wave related to the early navigation, early boats and Atlantic fisheries or seafood because our group has been found only close to the Atlantic in Western Iberia and Devon. If our groups arrived independently in Western Europe in any other maritime movements we would need more elements and differents matches to know, what we don't have right now. We still need to test Northern Iranian J1 types with STR matches to our results but in terms of NGS-Y DNA to understand the TMRCA between our Western European groups and the Caspian groups. Unfortunately no Iranian J1 samples have ever been tested with FGC6064 and no full Iranian Y DNA sequences are available, with the isolated exception of Darwish FTDNA#M9697, from the Persian Gulf, 9000-10000 years of distance. There's a taboo or impediment to investigate Iranian and Caspian haplogroups via NGS what would elucidate lots of questions. If we can get NGS-SNPs and Iranian matches with the European groups we still can think in the Alans as a possible source of  the dispersion of some types of J1 to Western Iberia.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-FGC6064/

1- SNPs of Anatolian, Iranian and European lines: J-FGC6064 FGC6064 Y19466 FGC5993 FGC6067 FGC6102 FGC6065. Formed 15000 ybp, TMRCA 14500 ybp

2 - SNPs of the Iranian Persian Gulf Qatari and the Western European lines: M365, FGC6020, FGC6027-FGC6031, FGC6034, FGC6036, FGC6044, FGC6045, FGC6048, FGC6051, FGC6057, FGC6068, FGC6069, FGC6076, FGC6080, FGC6096, FGC6098, FGC6099, FGC6101, FGC6103, FGC6104, FGC6112, FGC6113, FGC6115, FGC6118, FGC6125-FGC6127, FGC6130, FGC6141, FGC6142, FGC6144, FGC6145, FGC6150, FGC6153, FGC6156, FGC6159, FGC6167, FGC6169, FGC6170, FGC6174

By YFull - J-FGC6031 ZS4173 FGC6117 FGC6174 FGC6167 FGC6031 FGC6038 FGC6126 FGC6153 FGC6080 FGC6113 FGC6060 FGC8030 ZS4152 • FGC8032 FGC6073 FGC6137 FGC6130 M365.1 • M365.4 • M365.2 • M365 • M365.3 FGC6125 FGC5989 ZS4129 FGC6027 FGC6103 FGC6114 FGC6150 FGC6119 FGC6096 FGC6033 FGC6048 FGC6170 FGC6088 FGC6081 FGC6158 FGC6169 FGC6071 FGC6124 FGC6143 FGC6069 FGC6118 FGC6127 FGC6018 FGC6165 FGC6159 FGC6149 FGC6141 FGC6057 FGC6091 FGC6029 FGC6144 FGC6151 ZS4130 FGC6030 FGC6104 FGC6156 FGC6099 FGC6136 FGC6123 FGC6076 FGC6133 ZS4148 FGC6084 FGC6045 FGC6028 FGC6112 FGC6044 FGC6034 FGC6142 FGC6068 FGC6023 FGC6020 FGC6098 FGC6074 FGC6120 FGC6070 FGC6037 FGC6101 FGC6146 FGC6145 FGC6019 FGC6090 FGC6115 FGC6036 FGC6055

3 - SNPs of the Western European lines from England-Devon and Portugal: FGC5987-FGC6019, FGC6021-FGC6026, FGC6032, FGC6033, FGC6035, FGC6037-FGC6043, FGC6046, FGC6047, FGC6049, FGC6050, FGC6052- FGC6056, FGC6058-FGC6063, FGC6065-FGC6067, FGC6070-FGC6075, FGC6077-FGC6079, FGC6081-FGC6095, FGC6097, FGC6100, FGC6102, FGC6105-FGC6111, FGC6114, FGC6116, FGC6117, FGC6119-FGC6124, FGC6128, FGC6129, FGC6131-FGC6140, FGC6143, FGC6146-FGC6149, FGC6151, FGC6152, FGC6154, FGC6155, FGC6157, FGC6158, FGC6160- FGC6166, FGC6168, FGC6171-FGC6173, FGC6175

4 - SNP's of the Portuguese Sousa Lara and Ricardo Costa de Oliveira's line: J-Y19467 FGC6041 FGC6109 Y19468 FGC6040 FGC6035 FGC6085 FGC6107 FGC6026 FGC5992 FGC6168 FGC6066 FGC6025 Y19467 FGC6128 FGC6166 FGC6132 FGC6024 FGC5988 FGC5990 FGC6083 FGC6032 FGC6139 FGC6075 FGC6111 FGC6147 FGC8031 FGC6097 FGC6095 FGC6077 FGC6056 FGC6157 FGC6039 FGC6094 FGC6134 FGC6047. Formed 5500 ybp, TMRCA 1250 ybp

5 - SNPs private of Ricardo Costa de Oliveira's FGC#F7S61A; FTDNA#73612 line: FGC6046 FGC6053 FGC6062 FGC6078 FGC6082 FGC6131

We observed a YHRD 17/16 match between a Brazilian haplotype and an Iranian Caspian haplotype, what confirms the regularity of the Portuguese-Brazilian cluster and the Iranian cluster in different databases.
Location -   19    389i    389ii    390    391    392    393    385    438    439    437    448    456    458    635    GATA h4
Rasht Gilaki Iran                 -  15    13    29    22    10    11    13    12-20    10    11    14    20    15   18.2    21    10
Mato Grosso do Sul, Brazil - 15    13    29    22    10    11    13    12-19    10    11    14    20    15    18.2    21    10

https://www.academia.edu/5889836/Western_European_J1-M365_position_in_the_J1_haplogroup_Y_chromosome_phylogenetic_tree

So we still urgently need NGS of the Northern Iranian J1-FGC6064 M365 cases.

Ricardo Costa de Oliveira

Y-DNA J1 retrospective 2015

- We had three ancient Northern J1 results:

1- Sarmatian J1, Beslan, North Ossetia (2/3 C. A.D.) Gennady Afanasiev. Khazar Confederates in the Don basin. Pure research methods and the paradigm of modern archeology. M. 2015. S.146-153. (Afanasiev:2015).

2 - Karelian J1 Eastern Hunther-Gatherer from Russia, Yuzhnyy Oleni Ostrov [I0211/UzOO 40], M, 5500-5000 BC. (Mathieson:2015).

3 - Satsurblia cave J1, Georgia, F4306+, 13000 YBP (Jones:2015).

- We have discovered and confirmed our own 14000 years old branch SNP FGC6064 comparing my results FTDNA 73612-YFull YF01554 (I have 188 new SNPs to be tested FGC5987 to FGC6175) with the Big Y results from Kitching, England, 381875-YF03848.

- FTDNA is still boycotting our J1-M365 SNP. M365 was discovered in 2004, the M365 SNP has been in ISOGG's list since 2006 and M365 is also present at the last Y Chromosome Consortium (YCC). I had M365 as my terminal SNP in FTDNA in 2007. People from my J-M365 Project paid and tested positive for M365. We have M365+ in our J1 report. We have several people now listed as J1-M267 and not J1-M365 as our terminal SNP. We have recurrent SNPs in the case of almost all SNPs and M365 is quite old, so it was found and listed in other branches, like R-M365 in FTDNA's haplotree. Our J1-M365 was discovered in 2004 and is extremely valid, useful and important. So we are only asking to our terminal J1-M365 SNP to be where it was in FTDNA haplotree in 2007 because we paid, tested positive and that's our J1 group. Please FTDNA, we need our J1-M365 downstream SNP of FGC6064 in the haplotree.

- YFull tree, the best NGS public tree, now has J1-M365 as a node. Now we are waiting the analysis of another Portuguese Big Y BAM YF04781 results there.

- Now it's obvious that J1 was born and emerged in the Northern Near Eastern regions around the Black Sea, Eastern Anatolia, the Caucasus, the Caspian Sea and Northern Iran where the ancient types of J1 and the basal branches were discovered and still can be found there nowadays. No research or article has ever investigated basal types and SNPs of J1 from the cradle areas. We depend on the private tests and the citizen scientists only. I need some Gilaki and Caspian or Northern Iranian J1 types matching our M365 cluster in terms of STR to be fully sequenced with NGS. Let's wait 2016.

 

I think most of the European J1 is historical and related to historical migrations and wars in Europe arriving after the Iron Age or even after the Roman Empire. There's no homogeneity in the European J1 branches and the gaps can only be understood in reference to the J1 original lands because the European J1 clusters usually match more closely similar Near Eastern J1 branches than other European J1 clusters. No J1 was never found in any European Neolithic site and even in the Mediterranean areas possibly associated to Late Neolithic movements like the Sardinian J1 is always a local or regional cluster not found spreaded in other distant European regions because no Western European J1 has a deep chronology in Europe demonstrating an ancient presence there like the Karelian Mesolithic or the Caucasian CHG and the living Finn J1 individual as revealed in the last articles files only because the authors couldn't assume or could write about the major breakthrough of the ancient J1 remains and sequences in the texts for incompetence or other hidden interests. The Near Eastern differences between Northern Near Eastern basal types of J1 of Caucasian, Iranian, Anatolian, Armenian and Byzantine origins also can offer a big contrast with downstream derived P58 and subsequent downstream SNPs with origins associated to Southern Near Eastern, Levantine and Semitic origins in Europe like Phoenicians, Jews or Arabs depending on the phylogenetic positions in the J1 tree already found and occupied by J1 in Western Asia. 

 

Ricardo

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year !

Sarmatian J1

Y-DNA J1 was found in the Sarmatians from Beslan, Ossetia, II-III A.D. For the first time J1 has been found in archaelogical ancient Iranians related to the Proto-Alans.

Gennady Afanasiev

https://archaeolog-ru.academia.edu/GennadyAfanasiev

Афанасьев Г.Е., Ван Л., Вень Ш., Вэй Л., Добровольская М.В., Коробов Д.С., Решетова И.К., Ли Х., Тун С. Хазарские конфедераты в бассейне Дона // Тезисы докладов на Всероссийской научной конференции "Естественнонаучные методы исследования и парадигма современной археологии". М.: ИА РАН. 2015.

Western European J1-M365 position in the J1 haplogroup Y chromosome phylogenetic tree

Notes of Research. Almost 200 new SNPs. Western European J1-M365 position in the J1 haplogroup Y
chromosome phylogenetic tree.

Abstract: Western European J1-M365 position in the Y chromosome phylogenetic tree. Next-generation sequencing technology has increased the phylogenetic resolution for Y chromosome studies. Almost 200 new SNPs were investigated and discovered in a J1-M365 case. Full Genomes Y-Sequencing Results can detect the correct phylogenetic position of a Brazilian Portuguese Christian J1-M365 in the J1 haplogroup tree with new detailed phylogenetic resolution.

Download the full report here:

https://www.academia.edu/5889836/Western_European_J1-M365_position_in_the_J1_haplogroup_Y_chromosome_phylogenetic_tree

Full Genomes results

185 new SNPs (FGC5990-FGC6175) !
If every new SNP can represent circa de 90 years (or 3 generations), so 185X90= 16.650 years in the specific history of my J1 lineage (Z2215 and M365).
The kit travelled via Brazil, United States, BGI China and the results are here !
Congratulations to Full Genomes!
https://www.fullgenomes.com/

New Iranian J1b M365 types from the new Afghan Hindu Kush article

Afghan Hindu Kush: Where Eurasian Sub-Continent Gene Flows Converge, Di Cristofato et al, with Roy King, Peter Underhill and Jacques Chiaroni (2013). Now they tested 43 markers with 186 Iranian haplotypes. Total J1 = 23 - 12,3%.  J1c3 Page8 =12 – 6,4%.  J1 M267*=11 - 5.9%. A good progress in relation to the 2009 article of Jacques Chiaroni “ The emergence of Y-chromosome haplogroup J1e among Arabic-speaking populations” with 12 markers and 150 Iranian haplotypes, total J1=17 – 11%. J1e (J1c3)=13 -  8,6% and J1*=4 – 2,6%.  Sergio Toffanelli and Nadia Al-Zahery previously reported to had found some Qatari and Marsh Arabs J1c3d types with M365 positive, but it’s a parallel simultaneous mutation or a lab error. M365 is negative to P58 at FTDNA and 23andMe labs and also negative to L136 according to FTDNA J1 phylogenetic tree. The STR haplotypes are completely different and the J1b M365 STR modal is quite easily recognizable and unique  in any J1 database. 393=13, 390=22, 19=15, 388=16, YCAII=21/22. Unfortunately (again) they don’t  mention M365, so they can’t understand the complete J1 phylogenetic tree from Iran.

We can find at least 4 haplotypes in the new paper

J-M267 IR2_39 Esfahan
J-M267 IR4_9 Khorasan
J-M267 IR7_2 South Iran
J-M267 IR8_12 Teheran

http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchSingleRepresentation.action?uri=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0076748.s015

 The cluster

43 markers
Semnan - Iran - SMGF
Fars- Iran - SMGF
Tehran - Iran - SMGF
Ferrere - Reunion - Portugal- SMGF
Gonçalves - Brazil - Portugal - SMGF
Leon - Peru - SMGF
Oliveira - Brazil - Portugal - FTDNA
Ley - England - FTDNA
J-M267 IR2_39 Esfahan
J-M267 IR4_9 Khorasan
J-M267 IR7_2 South Iran
J-M267 IR8_12 Teheran

(obs. corrections only in DYS464 in Ir2_39 and 442 (-5) to match the FTDNA pattern)

They would share a common ancestor in the last 1600-2000 years (modal TMRCA) connecting Iranian populations with the Atlantic Western Iberian and Brazilian individuals.